Infragistics Team,
I have been using Infragistics tools for most of a decade, and have been supporting my developer peers in the Infragistics forums for nearly that long. I would really appreciate you giving this proposal some serious thought. I have taken a lot of time to think this through and document it for you, and I hope you will afford this suggestion appropriate consideration.
I have been chewing on an idea for a long time that would be an enhancement to the Infragistics documentation and support website.
You really need a community-driven code samples area, preferably cross-linked into the documentation.
You have made some efforts at code samples in the past... And they have been pretty good. Your staff content authors are brilliant. Tony, Craig, and Murtaza are amazing, and I love reading their stuff. The problem with each effort has had to do with goal and structure, not content. Here is a summary.
I know documentation is tedious, and is not really core to what you do (which is developing outstanding tools). Having a community code sample site would actually take some pressure off of your documentation team, because people could go to the community site to fill in the gaps. I am sure it would also take some pressure off of your support staff.
So here is what I am thinking would be features of a Community Code Samples website...
Like I said, I have put a lot of time in using your products, and fleshing out this proposal. I believe that this suggestion offers some real gains to your company in reduced documentation and support pressure. That translates to real dollars and cents in reduced support costs.
Even more than that, it will help galvanize the loyalty of your user community. Your talented users will feel appreciated, and your new users will more quickly tie in to the sense of community. That translates into real dollars and cents in increased sales and retention.
I hope you will consider it.
Thanks,
Rob Hudson
Rob and Davide:
I apologize it's taken me so long to follow up on this thread...
I have asked our Web team to follow this thread so they are hearing from you directly. Your feedback is not only greatly appreciated, but very valuable. We're continually working the site so please feel free to share anything else that can help us improve.
Best,
Craig
I agree with Rob, but not on this:
"The layout is awkward, but forgivable. Try this link: http://ko.infragistics.com/products/aspnet/data-grid/help?page=2. On my screen, the results start at the bottom of the page, forcing me to scroll down just to see them. If you click the link to get the next page of search results, you are placed back at the top of the page and have to manually scroll again."
IMO IS NOT FORGIVABLE, the User Experience is emabrassing ... especially by those who promote it as an added value, which is ;)
This issue on their WEB UI probably shows that it is more difficult to create a full UI that the individual components.
I always had a feeling from IG ... that it is a bit "away" from the real world of theirs customer, but is a my sensation ... not the reality ;)
However, congratulations, you have made progress, but do not stop! The leadership must be keep it! I think Rob has given you most valuable advice, more than a cold consultant ;)Best,Davide.
Hey Craig, hope you are doing well. I know you are busy, and don't expect your personal attention. If you want to pass this to a henchman, that is fine with me. Infragistics has provided you with a hidden lair and henchmen, haven't they?
Some initial feedback for the henchmen:
Search:
I spent some time exploring the new support site this morning... I put in the same "real world" searches that I did last year, to see if the results are better.
I searched "webdatagrid summaryrow behavior" to see if there was anything available for customizing the output of the SummaryRow. The results were mixed, but better than last year. While only two results were returned, both of these results were related tangentially, and maybe useful... Both were "How Do I" documents, one of which was a "How Do I" video, and the other was a blog post that contained a video. Both were very general to WebDataGrid, and not very specific to Summary Row. There were no links to the documentation or forum posts that might be relevant. No links to the samples browser that might also have an example. No links to the sample applications either. I would have expected search results to return both documentation and forum posts as possibilities.
I see the use of tags is improved, with the inclusion of the "How Do I" tag. Love that.
I searched "webtab javascript change tab" to see if there was any info on how to change the tab from JavaScript. No search results returned. I tried again with "webtab CSOM change tab". No results returned. I tried again with just "webtab change tab". There were links to general WebTab documentation, but the top level links didn't include anything on using JavaScript. The user will still have to dig into the documentation. The forum post where this question was answered specifically did not appear in search results.
I wanted to find out if there was information on how to customize the output of individual cells WebExcelExporter. I searched for "webexcelexporter customize". No search results were returned. I searched for "webexcelexporter cellexported". No results found. However, several possibly relevant results were returned if I just searched for "WebExcelExporter".
The new search feels finicky, and I haven't yet received relevant information on a first attempt. It feels like work, and a gamble. Maybe the strategy for using search is to not be specific in the search phrase... but I want to be specific so that my search results will be relevant.
Documentation:
I do like the layout of the support page, where you can tab between "Search" and "Control Specific Help". After clicking "Control Specific Help", and selecting my environment, I was instantly drawn to the "Popular Blogs" section. It's the first thing I noticed, and I felt compelled to explore some of the blogs before I even started looking at the documentation. Several of them were highly relevant to me.
I can see how selecting options in the "Control Specific Help" basically returns results from the same Search engine that drives the Search window, however these results all appear specific and informative. I don't have the same complaints when working with this interface.
The layout is awkward, but forgivable. Try this link: http://ko.infragistics.com/products/aspnet/data-grid/help?page=2. On my screen, the results start at the bottom of the page, forcing me to scroll down just to see them. If you click the link to get the next page of search results, you are placed back at the top of the page and have to manually scroll again. I can live with that, as long as the results are relevant, which they are.
I am struggling a little with the color scheme. Light-blue links on white background looks terrific on my desktop, but on my laptop it is hard on the eyes to try to read.
I am a little annoyed that the forum is aggressively removing markup from posts. I love to use bullets, and the HTML editor has bullets in the toolbar, but they are stripped out of forum posts.
My one piece of advice is this: While you guys are fine-tuning the organic search function, you should make the support page default to "Control Specific Help". Don't make people spin their wheels with organic search when the drill-down tool is presently much more helpful.
Great to hear from you again, Rob and nice to meet you Davide!
As you can see from the new site, the new search and other we've been able to make public much of what we had cooking behind the scenes when this thread started. As for the code repository, that is still something we haven't had an opportunity to implement yet. We have some new folks on our web team and I will make sure they read this thread so we can continue that discussion.
Thanks Davide, it is good to meet another Infragistics fan!
I have not upgraded to VS2012 yet... I have to migrate our SCC to TFS first. We have been using SourceGear for SCC. Their heart is in the right place, but it's just too buggy.
No reply from Infragistics yet... It is possible that they have their hands full, with Hurricane Sandy disrupting the country and all. Hopefully they'll get around to this in a few days.